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Post by Site Steward on Jan 24, 2009 14:59:51 GMT -5
What advice do you have about winning grievances and dealing with sups working?
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Post by danjcamp on Jan 25, 2009 10:40:18 GMT -5
Use the "smart strategy". When a supervisor is working for longer periods, spread the wealth. Have one person file for the 1st 10 minutes, another person for the next 10 and so on. This way everyone wins a little and settleing the grievances gets a little someting for all.
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Post by JC on Jan 25, 2009 17:10:21 GMT -5
Always remember to incorporate these into your grievance
who, what ,why, where, and why.
Don't forget be specific when you ask for remedies like lost wages, lost benefits.
heck! I don't think a picture from the camera will hurt! That would be icing on the cake!
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Post by fight4right on Jan 25, 2009 18:03:42 GMT -5
I think one of the best ways to end supervisors working is to go to the sup that is working and tell them you would be glad to do the work. If you like take turns so everyone gets some of the overtime. If they refuse to let you do the work then get a steward and have them talk to a higher supervisor. In any case you have set yourself up to win the grievance. This is especially useful when a full timer takes work a part timer should be doing. Management will after a while figure it is better to higher sufficient part timers than paying full timers overtime for the work.
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Post by wt on Jan 25, 2009 18:28:10 GMT -5
When supervisors shuttle packages, tell drivers to record all 1Z numbers of the packages shuttled. This provides extra proof needed for supervisor working grievances.
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Post by nvrgivup on Jan 26, 2009 11:37:33 GMT -5
I have found that Supervisors work on all shifts, I think it is in their training manuals! It's not hard to find guys who want extra money so rotate patrols. I stay late one night or come in early one shift and just look for supervisors with gloves. It can wear you out and become very frustrating working everyday, so get a couple of guys and rotate through. Constantly ask them do you need help, that way they know you are watching. A watched supervisor is much less likely to work knowing he WILL be caught!
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Post by tenchavez396 on Jan 26, 2009 15:55:00 GMT -5
I usually ask them if they are supervisors? And when they answer yes that's went I let them have it. I tell them that this is union work and that a union member should do it not them. They come up with every excuse possible but that's when I file a grivenace.
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Post by matthigdon1 on Jan 26, 2009 21:09:38 GMT -5
All of the comments and tips on how to handle sups.working are good! However the keys to success with this problem are a combo of them all!Spreading the wealth and filing multiple grievences works try to get atleast 5 to 8 guys or gals to committ to filing with you!Always get all the facts that you can including a witness or two.Be confident and do not bow down or put up with harrassment,but dont be quick to let them have it.There's no need to get into an overheated arguement just confirm that they are supervisors and thank them for the extra gas money that you will be receiving!!!!
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Post by cybersteward on Jan 27, 2009 23:04:49 GMT -5
I agree with most of what I see here, but I'm curious about the results.
Do you find that the company ends up paying fully for these offenses when you win? Out where I am, the company has been pushing back against sups working cases for years -- we're pressed to accept less than the remedy specified in Article 3.7, and even at panel, we end up "winning", but not getting the specified remedy.
Don't get me wrong, it doesn't stop me from filing, but I'm wondering how this relates to awards being won elsewhere.
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Post by danjcamp on Jan 30, 2009 12:01:54 GMT -5
It is important to have the information needed to win these cases. Check out the Supervisor Working brochure available from Teamsters for a Democratic Union. You can e-mail TDU and they can send you the brochure via e-mail attachment. The brochure will help big time for filing these grievances. Don't forget to spread the wealth by getting multiple grievants to file.
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Post by change396 on Jan 30, 2009 14:18:50 GMT -5
I usually ask them if they are supervisors? where's their uniform & name tag? so any member, steward and business agent know that person is a supervisor not some wannabe hourly. |
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Post by tenchavez396 on Jan 30, 2009 15:44:40 GMT -5
They usually just have a UPS polo shirt. No name tag. My business agent lets them work right in front of his face and say nothing.
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Post by pac317 on Jan 31, 2009 17:25:45 GMT -5
You have the right to demand to see their ID since Article 20, Section 5 of the National Master states:
"All management personnel shall wear a nametag identifying them as supervisor while on duty."
As a driver I call the police if I see anyone following me. If they stop me and refuse to produce a valid UPS ID I call 911 and have them removed or file criminal harassment charges.
But thats just me.
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Post by change396 on Feb 3, 2009 0:20:13 GMT -5
well 10 chavez, i've that same problem at my hub too. and pac317 a shop steward filed at grievance on article 20 section 5 about 6 years ago & my business agent lost it in panel. brother 10 chavez none of the business agents have in clout nor pull with ups. they're like rodney dangerfields they get no respect from ups management
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Post by omlo75 on Feb 3, 2009 4:11:42 GMT -5
well 10 chavez, i've that same problem at my hub too. and pac317 a shop steward filed at grievance on article 20 section 5 about 6 years ago & my business agent lost it in panel. brother 10 chavez none of the business agents have in clout nor pull with ups. they're like rodney dangerfields they get no respect from ups management I have learned to not rely on my business agent nor shop steward for that matter when it comes to filing grievances. Believe it or not I file my own grievances and have a shop steward present and receive the envelope from the shop steward and mail the grievance off myself. I typically hound the hell out of my business agent and try to learn who the labor manager for UPS in your district. Find his or hers number through the UPS atlas and begin sending him or her copies of your grievances certified mail. Then start sending copies of the grievances to the region labor manager's boss and you will be amazed at the attention you will get. |
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